Living in the New England area, there's been no stop of the fire at the Station nightclub in Warkwick, RI. Not a day goes by when the Providence Journal doesn't mention something connected to it. We'll be coming up to the one year anniversary soon, and it's just so sad to know that people that you knew were there. Everyone here was effected somehow.

I just want to hear people's thought on the events following it. Do you guys think that fire codes like the on RI's pushing should be spread to the rest of the country? Do you think it was Great White's fault? Did you know anyone who lost their lives that night? Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.

Thanx all.

Well I work lighting for alot of clubs that used to do pyros, and I know alot of pyros myself.


My thought is is that first the foam should of never been there, second I think the way the pyros were set up in a fast nobody knowing maner was wrong to...so this brings me to this, 2 wrong dont make a right and as a effect of this many people lost thier lives.

if one person from the band would of talked to the owner and they might of seen it coming,
the pyro itself is not dangerous at all, in fact i stood under one a long time ago, all it was is a cold spark, it could land in a puddle of gas without striking a blaze,,,,,,,,,well almost.
and the foam is not flamable at all niether, the holes in the foam are to small to pass the air and
heat together, the foam would suffercate a big flame or fire.

so where did it go wrong?
the sparks from the pyro where so small they fit in the holes of the foam and even had some room left for some air. this is how it happened from what i heard from people well known and certified to do both foam installs (studio contractors) and pyro.

it was basically a one in million chance at that happening at that even.

here is what the law makers should do about it,
they should put tuffer laws on both parties so that maybe next time atleast someone might firgure out the one in million chance.

I hate to sound mean but all that was with all them deaths was a part of the business, and in return will probably save more then a few lives in one bar over time,,,,,,,,so maybe it wasnt such a bad thing...........


than again I understand and feel for all the families and friends but i also look at everything as a positive sooo thats my mispelled opin....................lol

what do you think of that ?

Part of the Irony of this was that this past Saturday night the drummer from Great White was involved in a major car accident a few miles from my house.

Still, you should never ever use pyro indoors unless fire codes permit. Especailly in a plac with low ceilings...you are just askng for disaster.
-AMP

Isn't it a law now that the doors to a place have to swing out so if there is a huge crowd and people are pushing the doors will open? Was this the case at the club?

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Isn't it a law now that the doors to a place have to swing out so if there is a huge crowd and people are pushing the doors will open? Was this the case at the club?

yeah that has been a law for a long time, but did it help at the e-tu thing in chicago?...but then again nothing would of helped those peeps

The Providence Journal released hug report on the foam, and their research shows that the foam in the Station was really quite flamable. Some of the footage they got of the foam catching on fire was just scary; A bed with a comforter of the same material caused the bed to be completely incinerated within 2 minutes.

Why was this stuff even allowed to be made?

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Why was this stuff even allowed to be made? [/qb]

Because first it mostly made for a studio, and in a studio you dont smoke or have open flames. esp by the equipment that costs God knows what.

second the foam does pass fire codes, Like i was told that is really is not that dangerous. their are tiny wholes in it so if you took a cigar to it the wholes are so small their would not be no room for air to spend the heat and turn into fire. the sparks from the pyro where cold sparks and dont cause fire neither, nor do they hurt when they hit your skin. but the sparks are small enought to fit in the wholes of the foam and still let air in ..... that's why it started a fire. the reason why the fire spread so quick is cause a million tiny wholes all had sparks in them and generated enough heat to basically blow up in a flame ball, then it caught on the roof and the club burnt down. people took to long to get out and/or they thought it was part of the show till they couldn't breath and passed out which means most of them were burnt alive.

its simple logic if someone explains it to you.
that foam is like what's in a mattress and the spark is like when you strike a lighter...

so lets do an experiment.
take a lighter to the foam in ur mattress (cut off alittle peace) and without hold the gas button on the lighter just sparks it many times....what happens????? nothing ...unless you and 50 of your friends spark it a million times a second.


understand?

sorry for all the misspelling, IM tired and dont care

Here is what I know on the topic of pyro. I was the loader crew chief at a local venue 2 years ago and a national act came in with pyro. Our entertainment director had allready been told by the band about this, so it was arranged for the fire marshal to come by.

We set up their back line up and one of my guys helped wire the pyro under the supervision of the bands pyro technician. Then the fire marshal came in and inspected, he asked the band about fire prevention measures. They showed him the fire extinguishers all around the stage and the super soakers(don�t ask). Anyway the fire marshal checked the levels of the extinguishers and all was approved with the signing of a temporary pyro license. On top of that the fire marshal was at the concert to make sure all went well. The bad had concussions, sparks, and propane flame. This was so by the book that no one could smoke on stage or backstage. The crew was very professional with the pyro, load-out is another story.

The point is that ANY band and or concert venue should handle pyro BY THE BOOK! The way this band did! The way I was learned in theater is even a single match being lit on stage is pyro and it disserves respect.

The foam didn�t kill the people, the irresponsibility of the band and the venue killed people. Oh yeah the band I was talking about was W.A.S.P, another hair band but one that knew safety.


Laters,
Kevin

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second the foam does pass fire codes, [/qb]

Actually, if i recall, the foam was put in after the last fire inspection. it was never cleared to be put there.

the place didn't have sprinklers and the exits were poorly marked.

Have you ever seen any club with conditions like this?

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second the foam does pass fire codes, [/qb]

Actually, if i recall, the foam was put in after the last fire inspection. it was never cleared to be put there.

the place didn't have sprinklers and the exits were poorly marked.

Have you ever seen any club with conditions like this? [/qb]

god have I....

I think it was more of a nieghborhood rundown/thrash bar.
of course they didnt have nothing.

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Why was this stuff even allowed to be made? [/qb]

Because first it mostly made for a studio, and in a studio you dont smoke or have open flames. esp by the equipment that costs God knows what.
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wow, talk about digging up an old post, but...

Things are still going on about the fire, it's on the news almost nightly here (the trial). Apparently that foam we were talking about wasn't even acoustic foam. It was packing foam, nailed to the wall.